Finally found the time to check the PSA population and this is too funny. Already around 150 PSA 10 WC 2018 Mbappé stickers. Not really rare is it, especially with the backlog at PSANO MERCY FOR THESE F*****S!!!
I kinda understand the "balance" he claims, but in sticker cases, it's not balanced at all... Therefore, some considerations:I reached out to Dan Lyden who is an Ecommerce Manager at Topps Europe to ask about the so called "rookie" situation, and he took the time out to respond. This kind of was the reply that I was expecting, so not much of a surprise.
"What you are asking is why we don't keep printing to make sure everyone who wants a sticker or card gets one.
Well, we have a production print run for all retail products and this is a big undertaking for the company, months of planning, printing and distribution. They aren't set up to print individual cards and stickers - apart from print on demand projects where everyone who wants a card can order one. So we can't just go back and say, 'can we reprint 85 Haaland cards'. The printer set up alone would be into the thousands. We print all cards in equal volume or to a specified rarity.
Some are bound to be more popular and thus command a higher value than others, I'm not sure how we can avoid that. Once value is placed on a card people will look to own more of them. I'm not sure how we could police that to see if they have a genuine need as a completist or they are looking to sell. If that wasn't happening all card investing would stop and resale prices would be drop to the price of a packet. That is actually a big part of why a lot of people collect and they, like people who are only out to collect, facilitate our ability to create and sell products. Like it or not, the secondary market is a huge part of what makes the industry tick. We aim to balance this out by tuning the volume we create to the demand we see. I hope that helps, I will say that we are monitoring the markets all of the time."
It will be interesting to see if, for UEFA Euro, Panini will pick such number of stickers per set that this could be taken for the advantage of collectors or not. Or even going a step further so that Mbappe and the company could be part of 6 stickers that are part of albums (on the front and back cover). But I wouldn't put my money on that.No they don't. There's always stickers printed more. What he can say is they print all different sheets in equal volume, but a sheet might have more of one sticker than other. Topps actually doesn't do this much, but Panini does more. And even so, I doubt very much they print equal volume of different sheets, just check last UCL where playoff and italian teams are not featured in starter, multipack or tins, making them rarer.
Tbh, it's not about publisers making profit of Haalands or whatever the case, it's about solidarity. They are obviously not forced to print more because some morons decided to "invest" on buying thousands of a certain rookie. They, the publishers, did their part. However, they have millions to attend and judging by how this goes, it's a matter of WEEKS for certain stickers to be sold out... and that will lead to thousands of complaints for X sticker is sold out, many of them would give up on collecting and in a instant, we're left with just speculators because real collectors will be fed up with all this crap!Print runs will increase for future set we can be sure of that, because Panini/Toops know that there’s enough demand and at larger print runs per sticker/card costs are even lower. This per sticker costs are the main goal for them and while they could essentially made a 200 print sheet of Haaland for example, print run could not be large enough to make it profitable for them (assuming that per sticker price for end buyers would not change).
While I don’t see how “investors” could turn a profit on 2018 – 2020 stickers in the long run if they were buying at late 2020 prices, I don’t see stickers hitting the market at lower prices (as I already wrote in the previous post). But this period is also mostly lost for collectors and many sets will remain incomplete. Going forward I see large( r) print runs so stickers should be easier to get.
It will be interesting to see if, for UEFA Euro, Panini will pick such number of stickers per set that this could be taken for the advantage of collectors or not. Or even going a step further so that Mbappe and the company could be part of 6 stickers that are part of albums (on the front and back cover). But I wouldn't put my money on that.
I would just like to highlight this sentence, because it is mainly on this point that the whole 'rookies' question revolves...... we want mainly the sticker sets protected from these hoarders. Why is it so wrong to print more of the needed stickers (at least the current ones!), but it's ok to accept hoarders to ruin the hobby of millions?
This......I would just like to highlight this sentence, because it is mainly on this point that the whole 'rookies' question revolves.
The sticker collections are absolutely not similar to those of cards, they require a different printing strategy (different ratio) and often are aimed at different users, with different purchasing power.
Much more than card collections, sticker albums MUST BE COMPLETED, and publishers (mainly Panini and Topps) MUST GUARANTEE anyone to be able to finish the album.
It is NOT acceptable that after a few weeks from the release of a collection certain stickers are already unavailable on official online stores.
I think you have to differentiate here. It's a US collection where rookie cards are a natural part of every collection.New Panini UK sale:
<p>• Collect all of the different, unique Hobby-exclusive insert designs that showcase NBA Stars, old and new, with tons of variety! Chase the High Voltage, HIPnotized, Prime Twine and many more sets that can only be found in Hobby product! <br />&bucollectibles.panini.co.uk
So here we go, rookies again... However, this is not a walk in the park for the specul....ahem, "investors"... Not a NBA expert by far, but price looks expensive? And, a bit satisfying to read this:
* Please note: The 2021/2021 Hoops Basketball Hobby Box is limited to a maximum of 1 item per customer / household. We would like to make this collection possible for as many customers as possible and ask you to refrain from multiple orders. The orders are accepted by us with reservation and can be cancelled at any time.
This I think we can all accept, a Rookie set that won't disturb other sets.
The professionnal breakers are part of the strategy of Panini (loaded boxes/cases?). Also the big sellers in USA are part of the problem, they buy at normal prices at Panini, store everything, buy whatever is around at low prices (bots?) and create shortage. And Topps, just an example, many people pre-ordered Match Attax Chrome, and their preorders were cancelled or partially cancelled, at the same time the box price went from around 75$ to 250$ on Ebay..The core of the problem are all the professional breakers in the USA who buy the boxes regardless of the price and thus enable Panini to drive the price higher and higher. Only when they no longer get their breaks full, because no one is willing to risk such a high stake for the result, the trend will reverse.
After I posted, I realized too he was mostly talking about cards... but I'm pretty sure @Jamiepr74 asked about stickers, because that is the problem now... we don't see cards from Adrenalyn or Match Attax being sold out, at least compared with stickers.And to go back to the Topps story with Dan Lyden: I think it's pretty obvious that his answer was really only about trading cards, while @dantzig was mostly talking about stickers.
Everyone who has been discussing here for a long time knows what Topps thinks of stickers and how well they produce sticker collections. 95% of their business revolves around trading cards. Stickers only get in the way...
What I can understand is that it may not be possible to reprint every type of card (especially the special cards with certain refinements) without any problems at any time. And exactly like the original card. But with the standard stickers, which @dantzig was talking about, that shouldn't be a problem these days, but as I said, I don't think he referred his answer to that at all.
If you read through what he's been posting on social media recently, it quickly becomes clear that he's a huge fan of card flipping (buying to sell at a higher price). And that clearly reflects the development at Topps. A lot is artificially limited in order to increase demand and price. Or you have to buy a lot of unnecessary stuff on top to get some articles. Meanwhile, the standard collections are going down the drain ... This season's UCL Match Attax collection is the best example of this.
But for sticker collections it should be like @gaspy mentioned before. Within a certain period of time (e.g. 1-2 years after the appearance of a collection, it should be possible to reorder every sticker). It cannot be that it is no longer possible n theto complete albums because some people only order certain stickers all the time. Because of me, they should link it to the sticker albums someone owns so that not everyone can always order the same sticker unlimitedly. Then both manufacturers would not have so many sold out stickers after a few specialists have been ordering the same stickers every week for months.
Your'e right @dantzig - my problem is the stickers full stop. I have never collected the cards as I have no interest in them at all.
investors cant lose if they got stickers for free like me and send to PSA pay 15$ per sticker how can i lose ? people like me will never lose , psa 10 or 9 will never go under 15$ never not for 100 years , other investors who pay for sticker 30 40 $ then for grade 15 or more they can lose but on 15$ i will grade all day every day 100 times in rowFinally found the time to check the PSA population and this is too funny. Already around 150 PSA 10 WC 2018 Mbappé stickers. Not really rare is it, especially with the backlog at PSA
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Let's see how fast they pop up on eBay, before it's too late for "investors"
Either way new collections should go back to normal pretty fast - This is what should happen given such information, but most likely PSA 10s will just remained unsold as "investors" will not want to record a loss - Just keep in mind that there's nothing rare about them and stay away at current prices (USD 350 was the last one - public at least).
But I do think that old stickers (pre 2006 - Messi and CR mark the break point) will keep rising and there's little collectors can do about it, as those are actually rare in good condition.
i have maradona, matheus , platini and few others doubles in my collection maybe 15 stickers total grade is 15$ for each and they are ultra rare decje novine i will got probably 2 or 3 and i grade them because these are impossible to find and will be only one ever graded or if someone in future grade them probably will be few piece of them , also these sticker eaven when they are mint new from bags dont have good centring so they cant get 10 its almost impossible to find maradona decje novine from 82 or any other from 82, 82, 86 that have centring and condition for 10 , so i grade these because i know i will sell them easy, but ok sending to grade new stickers under 9 and you know you will get under 9 is stupidIn all this rookie tragedy, what I find more funny in that table is those who spent money to grade something worse than a 9... Are you really that dumb to send something to grade that is clearly not going to have a good evaluation? A 4 or 5 is a shitty sticker, how come you, peanut brain, thought it was worth to grade?
Anyway, you're right about those unsold stickers, the "investors" (have much cruel names for them though) will not resell them for lower prices, probably they prefer to keep them in thousands than "giving back" to the market.
Brace yourselves for this new Euro set and I don't want to even think about what will happen in 2022 WC... unless Panini and Topps do something about it, which I'm not optimistic too.
You're probably the only one I ever met that is looking to break even on a PSA 10, or at least thinks that this is a good investment strategy... But to each their own, best of luck.investors cant lose if they got stickers for free like me and send to PSA pay 15$ per sticker how can i lose ? people like me will never lose , psa 10 or 9 will never go under 15$ never not for 100 years , other investors who pay for sticker 30 40 $ then for grade 15 or more they can lose but on 15$ i will grade all day every day 100 times in row