Copa America 2019 (10 + 6 invited teams?)

How do you prefer Copa America?

  • Just the 10 teams

    Votes: 11 45.8%
  • 12 teams (2 invited)

    Votes: 6 25.0%
  • 16 teams (6 invited)

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • Total voters
    24

dantzig

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#1
Hey guys.

Saw now some news about the Copa America 2019 that will be played in Brazil and seems they want to invite 6 more teams, instead of only the usual 2.

According to a brazilian news website, the six teams they would like to invite are two from CONCACAF (Mexico and USA), two from UEFA (Portugal and Spain) and two from AFC (China and Japan).

Reasons are obvious to choose those six teams: lots of revenues (mostly Asia) and joining the best players in the world like Ronaldo and Iniesta with Messi, Suarez and Neymar.

What do you think? I know every fan around the world would love to see this competition, but perhaps south american people think it's just too much non-american teams (which can lead to a non-american winner)? VOTE NOW! :p
 

Suisse

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#2
European and asian teams to play Copa America , it's not serious , this is not my football .

I think , it's not good . The name of competition with CONMEBOL-CONCACAF-UEFA-AFC is F.I.F.A. World Cup ;):cool: .

And after 16 , the next is 24 :eek: .

For Copa America , my choice , only 10 teams .

Play off : 7th and 10th of F.I.F.A. class. , and 8th and 9th of F.I.F.A. class. ( go and return of course )

2 groups of 4 nations , semifinals , final :cool: .
 

Makhno

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#3
No need to argue during years : The Copa America is a tournament for south american teams. That's all folks
I could maybe understand they merge the Copa America with the Golden Cup to create a real continental cup. But creating a mini World Cup with asian and european teams is bullshit !
 

Turisas

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#4
Agree with Ben. Personally I liked a lot this 16 teams. Keep this format, but only strictly from American continent. What the hell would a European team do there? From Asia Japan has been invited twice, participated once (they refused to play in 2011 in the end due to Fukushima catastrophe). I wouldn't force this in the future neither.
So 10 CONMEBOL + 6 CONCACAF.
 

gaspy

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#5
No need to argue during years : The Copa America is a tournament for south american teams. That's all folks
I could maybe understand they merge the Copa America with the Golden Cup to create a real continental cup. But creating a mini World Cup with asian and european teams is bullshit !
I absolutely agree!!!
 

Makhno

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#6
If they really do this shit with american, european and asian teams, I hope the African confederation will sue in court the Conmebol for discrimination !
 
#9
Two groups of 5 teams with the first three teams of each group to qualify would be the best. First of the group goes to semifinal and the second of the group plays with the third of the other group for the semifinals
 

Caniggia

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#10
ONLY 10 teams, does make any sense to have national teams from Europe or Asia (just a matter of money, of course)... and then, we have Spain or Japan champion of South America?!? so in this case Barcelona could move to Serie A, Juventus to Premier League and Liverpool to Liga... is the same not?

only thing (on my opinion) reasonable could be to have just a common tournament of whole America, so including also Canada, Usa and center America BUT I think Usa and Mexico, mainly, never accept it because they loose probably any chance to win a trophy...
 

LeicesterRob

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#11
ONLY 10 teams, does make any sense to have national teams from Europe or Asia (just a matter of money, of course)... and then, we have Spain or Japan champion of South America?!? so in this case Barcelona could move to Serie A, Juventus to Premier League and Liverpool to Liga... is the same not?

only thing (on my opinion) reasonable could be to have just a common tournament of whole America, so including also Canada, Usa and center America BUT I think Usa and Mexico, mainly, never accept it because they loose probably any chance to win a trophy...
I totally agree that the cup should be for the whole of America (South, Central and North). We definitely don't need a World Cup part two!
 

dantzig

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#12
If they really do this shit with american, european and asian teams, I hope the African confederation will sue in court the Conmebol for discrimination !
African teams are not good for revenues, sad truth... This possible CA 2019 (which from what I read, the 6 extra teams already agreed, with FIFA "blessing") is obviously aiming for bringing a huge profit with teams from either having best players (like Ronaldo) or with huge fanbase for international football (like China and Japan).

The 16 teams format with just american continent teams was already adopted in Centenario edition and most likely, the organizers were not satisfied entirely... Most likely CONMEBOL bosses want to bring Copa America to another level... This doesn't mean I'm agreeing with them, I'm pretty sure all of us prefer teams from just the continent they are, but after Australia was brought to AFC matches (and they're now the current asian champions, which means no asian team in Confederations Cup), I believe these continental competitions with less teams will be "mixed up" more often.

In the end, I believe that if this happened in Europe, I would be upset if Brasil or Argentina would play for european champions.

I totally agree that the cup should be for the whole of America (South, Central and North). We definitely don't need a World Cup part two!
Yes we do :D Not another World Cup, but perhaps something between World Cup and Confederations Cup? Best of the best from all continents, like top 4 of Europe and South America (qualified by their results in continental cups), 2 from CONCACAF, 3 from AFC, 2 from Africa and an Oceania team (16 teams)... But where to place? Every year there's some big competition, be an Euro, Africa Cup, Gold Cup, Copa America or even Confederations Cup, just like this year.
 

Helios

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#13
Sorry folks - I really don't care about the tournament itself. It is not even broadcasted on TV here and games are in the middle of the night.o_O
I do care about the album though and additional teams are always nice to have :p
Now start the shitstorm..:D
 

Caniggia

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#14
if we have to miss the continents and loose the feeling of tournaments, much better to have all events every 3 years so for example

2022 World Cup Qatar
2023 Euro and Copa America
2024 Africa Cup and Confederation Cup
2025 World Cup

if they go on with adding more and more teams, it make sense to give green cards to all biggest teams and then we have only kind of playoffs for smaller countries ..

I like? no, but I prefer like this then watching Spain or Italy win the Copa America or Argentina win the Euro (of course Argentina shall loose the final with penalty missed by Higuain :p:mad:)
 

Makhno

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#15
So how Spain, for example, could play the Copa America and the Euro at the same time with your schedule ?
 

Makhno

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#17
because Benoit in my idea, Euro is only for european, America for americans etc etc :)
Sorry, again I haven't read properly what you wrote :oops:
So, at the end, we all agree here to say : ok, make some changes, but don't be ridiculous by giving a chance to Germany to be the south american champion !
 
#18
I really miss the old days when the Euros had only 8 teams. It was a nice and quick two-week tournament with no big fuss around it. It was somehow natural to have some big nations not qualifying for it (France in 1980 and 1988, England in 1984, Italy in 1984 and 1992, etc.)

But then the money machine started - all these tournaments were designed to make profits, especially in the biggest markets. As a result, the number of games increased, but their quality went down. I still remember like a bad dream the group stage of WC 2010 - so boring, so few goals... And players are not machines. I prefer having them rested over summer, whenever possible, and seeing them fresh and fit next season rather than watching how they simulate playing in tournaments they do not care about just because the sponsors require their presence to sell products.

I definitely prefer Copa America with 10 teams. Having a continental champion from a different place in the world is weird... and Mexico almost did it. Twice. Tournaments have been organized without all this big fuss for many decades. I do not see any reason why a major tournament cannot take place without all (or at least parts of) this profit-oriented environment around it. And I really do not care if I have new and "exotic" nations in my Panini album - if they are good enough, they will make it there :cool:;) What is the purpose of having memories of mediocre players?!
 

dantzig

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#19
if we have to miss the continents and loose the feeling of tournaments, much better to have all events every 3 years so for example

2022 World Cup Qatar
2023 Euro and Copa America
2024 Africa Cup and Confederation Cup
2025 World Cup

if they go on with adding more and more teams, it make sense to give green cards to all biggest teams and then we have only kind of playoffs for smaller countries ..

I like? no, but I prefer like this then watching Spain or Italy win the Copa America or Argentina win the Euro (of course Argentina shall loose the final with penalty missed by Higuain :p:mad:)
Actually, your 3-year timeline makes an incredible sense to me... There are tournaments played in northern hemisphere winter (summer in southern hemisphere), such as Africa Cup and Oceania Cup, so they could be played right between the 3-year World Cup... The northern hemisphere summer tournaments, such as Euro, Gold Cup, Asian Cup or even Copa America, could be played like you said, one year after the World Cup, leaving summer 2024 (or winter 2025) for the Confederations Cup.

Someone get Caniggia a seat in FIFA! :D

I really miss the old days when the Euros had only 8 teams. It was a nice and quick two-week tournament with no big fuss around it. It was somehow natural to have some big nations not qualifying for it (France in 1980 and 1988, England in 1984, Italy in 1984 and 1992, etc.
Nah, not missing one bit from those 8-teams tournaments, too short for me... Confederations Cup and even Copa America are just too short, though I understand it's more natural to have the champions on the first and the south american only on the second... Sure, I also don't like overcrowded tournaments, such as World Cup with 48 teams and even 24 teams in Euro (though Portugal benefited from that :p), but 32 for WC and 16 for Euro is good for me.

Btw, I'm not a fan of Copa America with their 10 teams only, they already play all against each other for WC qualifications... But the lack of quality football in central/north america compared to the south makes almost impossible a joint tournament for all american continent... It would be like the Club World Cup, where the european team always win (or at least, 9 out of 10), so a south american team would win always, unless we had a super Mexico or USA.
 
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