Be aware , on ebay strange badges appear

#1
i write before about this on forum , but now i do not have doubt anymore , what happend

1. i buy budges from France seller on ebay , he sell lot's of auctions with usa 94 badges (always same numbers) also little chepaer then rest of sellers, when i get his badges
stickers have "red shine" , they are not clear silver colour like they are supose to be , i have badges with black back and red back, blue back all are clear silver colour, this from France seller have strange "red shine" and when you have them in you hands you can see that red shine and paper not same, similiar yes but not same as clear silver badges (original) also back side on "red shine" badges is tooo perfect on original badges usually have light black on this with "red shine" is dark black colour and perfect print

2. I ask seller about that red shine he told me that he do not see that, i send him feedback and speak with my friend about those badges me and he (and he is usa 94 big seller on ebay) made conlusion that something is not normal with that "red shine" badges, i ask seller again where he buy them he told me he buy them in Italy panini and that he have invoice, he have more auctions and I ask him that i wish to bid on more auctions but i don't wish to get "red shine" badges and ask him did badges in new auctions have "red shine" he block me from auction, i was angry that someone block me only because i ask about condition so i open case, and i lose on paypal case bacuse paypal think that seller is describe auction very good .

3. OK I lose and keep going with collecting, I deside to buy from another seller as i do not like these with "red shine" so i go on ebay find 2 sellers from Italy, one was Massimo i work with him before and guy is nice seller i buy from him one badge and one badge (ireland badge) from another seller from Italy, yesterday i get badge , Massimo seller badge is nice clear silver and guse what ? from another sller from Italy i got SAME SAME badge as on France seller "red shine" on badge, same paper, perfect dark black back side

4. after this i concluse that France seller maybe do not lie , how can Italy and France seller have same "red shine" stickers , because they probably buy them from same place , panini modena italy, Italy seller live there and France seller is close probably goes to Italy in some point of time and buy them there and resell on ebay...

5. my conlusion is that Panini reprint these usa 94 badges and some collectors who do not have eyes or don't know how original looks don't see that


6. be free to comment , be aware that usa 94 badges with "red shine" is out there, check you collections

7. on pictures down on first pictures are 3 badges clear silver original look, on secon picture is ireland badge with "red shine" nd 3rd picture on left is perfect dark black print (not normal for 1994) and on right light black back like you have on most usa 94 sickers

France red shine seller
https://www.ebay.com/itm/N-268-PANINI-WORLD-CUP-USA-94-BADGE-HELLAS/173340954288
 

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1- Lighter black or not, backs are not always the same. Even now I'm sorting a fresh portuguese set collection and it has different types of black, even the back paper is not the same... Yet, they were printed at the same interval of time.

2 - You were a nuisance here. As a seller, I would be also annoyed if someone doubt my honesty and kept coming with the same conversation. Naturally, seller thought it was safer for him to block you.

3 - By this time, you should have already realized the "problem" was from Panini different printings and not the sellers, right?

4 - Guess you did.

5 - Panini policy is to NEVER reprint stickers, even if they become quickly sold out. What you experienced, assuming it's true those "redish stickers", is probably some batch with a different paper.

6 - ......

7 - Second picture is darker, you can't really make us take conclusions with this. You need to take pictures with the same light, side by side, preferably with the same angle.
 
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1- Lighter black or not, backs are not always the same. Even now I'm sorting a fresh portuguese set collection and it has different types of black, even the back paper is not the same... Yet, they were printed at the same interval of time.

2 - You were a nuisance here. As a seller, I would be also annoyed if someone doubt my honesty and kept coming with the same conversation. Naturally, seller thought it was safer for him to block you.

3 - By this time, you should have already realized the "problem" was from Panini different printings and not the sellers, right?

4 - Guess you did.

5 - Panini policy is to NEVER reprint stickers, even if they become quickly sold out. What you experienced, assuming it's true those "redish stickers", is probably some batch with a different paper.

6 - ......

7 - Second picture is darker, you can't really make us take conclusions with this. You need to take pictures with the same light, side by side, preferably with the same angle.

First of all I see you are going on seller side in your answers, first.... i see 1000 usa back sides and all do not have perfect black colour , sometimes lighter sometimes darker but this black on these stickers is PERFECT , also i do not have only red back side stickers i see blue, red , black back side and all stickers I have are with CLEAR SILVER SHINE, this stickers is printed with red shine also quality of paper is not same as on stickers with PERFECT silver , seller is block me because he know what he sell and he know he sell copys .... about angle i must change angle , because if i made same angle you cant see redshine , redshine you can see only if you have stickers in hand or change angle , i can send you sticker as gift so when you get at home check with your stickers and you will see that stickers IS NOT SAME .. at THE END IT IS NOT ONLY ME, i give my friend these stickers in his hand and he is here too on forum he is also ebay seller and when he get them in hand he also told me that stickers is suspision and that can't be same paper as original he sold tons of usa 94 stickers and also he have at home tons of badges and all stickers he have clear silver colour

ps
seller who block buyer because of question and refuse to back me my money is scum ... im buyer , on ebay if i do not like stickers i can back them to seller so I'm right here 100%
 
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dantzig

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First of all I see you are going on seller side in your answers, first.... i see 1000 usa back sides and all do not have perfect black colour , sometimes lighter sometimes darker but this black on these stickers is PERFECT , also i do not have only red back side stickers i see blue, red , black back side and all stickers I have are with CLEAR SILVER SHINE, this stickers is printed with red shine also quality of paper is not same as on stickers with PERFECT silver , seller is block me because he know what he sell and he know he sell copys .... about angle i must change angle , because if i made same angle you cant see redshine , redshine you can see only if you have stickers in hand or change angle , i can send you sticker as gift so when you get at home check with your stickers and you will see that stickers IS NOT SAME .. at THE END IT IS NOT ONLY ME, i give my friend these stickers in his hand and he is here too on forum he is also ebay seller and when he get them in hand he also told me that stickers is suspision and that can't be same paper as original he sold tons of usa 94 stickers and also he have at home tons of badges and all stickers he have clear silver colour

ps
seller who block buyer because of question and refuse to back me my money is scum ... im buyer , on ebay if i do not like stickers i can back them to seller so I'm right here 100%
I'm not with anyone. I'm saying that, as also a seller in ebay, I understand how annoying can buyers be for something... And you were annoying him constantly and most of all, doubting his honesty, even when he said to you he has proof of buying in Panini... You even lost the Paypal case, which is very unusual for buyers to lose a "not as described" case, so what can I say?

So after all, you changed your opinion again now? You doubted him first, then you accepted as a Panini issue and now you're saying he's a liar and sell copies? Be informed first before making such accusations, because in a court, you would be torn apart without any proof!

Panini changes constantly their printings. Different paper, different backs, different colors, blah blah blah, all during the same period... So for me, it's quite normal the situation you described, as it's quite normal for any seller to not be concerned with those redish stickers, if it's not something clearly noticeable.

Again, if you can't take pictures to compare fairly those stickers, how do you want us to assess your story? By believing you? You didn't believe the seller, so what makes you more trustworthy? Even so, I'm still assuming what you say it's true, aren't I?

You and your friend should do one thing first: INVESTIGATE! You shared your story here, nobody could help so far. Then continue to investigate in other sites, sources, ask Panini itself, whatever, until you have some definite proof where those stickers come from. Until then, you are just accusing someone's based only in suspicions. There's a fundamental principle in justice: innocent until proven guilty.

And no, you're not 100% right here, not even 50% I dare to say. Just because you are buyer doesn't mean you have all rights and sellers not. You don't know the stickers source, you annoyed the seller without YOU even knowing the source itself to doubt him, you tried to get revenge on him with a Paypal case because he rightfully blocked you and then, you can't even show us pictures that can at least back you up there are "redish" silver stickers... This last part I really assume it's true, based also on the black backs and how you described them, but again, how can you expect people to believe you when yourself doesn't present us with clear evidences?

Small note to end: your link to seller's listing is not available anymore. Next time, take a screenshot or something, as we don't even know who the seller is (at least to check his feedback).
 
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I ask him he lie in my opinion , i ask for refund he refuse and that is annoying ??? I'm seller too one ebay for 6 year when someone ask me I answer , also i do not sell suspition stuff like him, imagine guy who have red shine badges and he have sam numbers copies 3-4-5 times of each and he have only that 10 numbers and thats it and he sell only that , and he refuse to refund money after i decide to back item with tracking number shipping that i will pay, that is annoying ? if it is annoying back me may money i will back item ....and two of my annoying questions will stop, but he wish not to take his sht stickers back as he know that he sell copies....

i live in Croatia where i can invastigate? i try here and you with your comments don't help me till now , i ask you again give me your adress i will ship to you one sticker then you compare with regular usa 94 badge , anyway if these are original i do not wish ot have them with rest of usa 94 set as stickers is darker and have that redshine my stickers are all clear silver stickers for me as collector that is not good to have different badges in set

and i will try to make better pictures eaven its hard to see that on pictures in hand sticker looks total different
 

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